[twindman]

I was born in 1946 - so an early boomer. I have worked as a programmer for 36 years and retired for 16 now. I didn't particularly like it, but Dad made me take 4 years of Ag (farm kid). That REALLY gave me a good background in things that are still useful. I built walls in the basement of one house and dry walled, etc. Did the electrical wiring for outlets and lights. Know a little about gas engines and a lot about agriculture (tho it is vastly different now).

So I have been in both worlds of basic useful training and high tech. My daughter married a guy in the army now 20 years. When first married, he had a Saturn, I think. It had something like 30,000 miles on it and he had never had the oil changed!!!!! She now takes care of stuff like than and much more - she took shop in 8th grade for an elective and that has taught here about hammer and saw stuff. I don't think many kids today get that background. Oh well...............