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12-10-2021, 10:08 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Brooksville
Posts: 1
M.O.C. #30224
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Does the hot water tank need replaced
2008-keystone-montana-fifth-wheel 3400rl
Came home and found huge amount of warm water on the living room floor... Looks like it flowed from the corner where the kitchen counter and the desk area slide out almost connect... There was no water whatsoever, under the kitchen sink area at all... I have completely disconnected the water from the outside connection... Does this mean that the hot water tank need to be completely replaced or is it something else related to the hot water tank?
Thank you in advance for your time and attention into my inquiry!!!
Respectfully,
Jerry
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12-11-2021, 05:25 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 2,113
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Hard to say. Could be a busted water line, or tank leak. Needs more investigation. Can you get to, or at least see, the back of your water heater from the basement?
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2019 Montana Legacy 3791RD 20th Anniversary Edition
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12-11-2021, 06:19 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Aurora
Posts: 429
M.O.C. #26926
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Was there any water outside the rig by the heater?
We had the pressure relief valve release (had to be repoaced as it wouldn't reset) and as the water flooded the metal enclosure (inside the cover) water infiltrated to the floor of our pantry. Apparently thru the opening where the anode screws in - there are perforations there and the water built up inside the cover until it reached the vent slots. I, eventually, awoke to the sound and thought it was coming from the pantry and found the floor wet. Walked out the door and the ground under our rig was wet (no one elses was) and shut water off. It was pouring out of the seams and vent slots. Replaced the pressure relief valve and has been fine since. Much drying of the floor and fans blowing followed.
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2021 3121RL Legacy Cobalt FBP, MORryde IS & pin box
2020 F350 PSD CCLB SRW
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12-11-2021, 01:31 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 6
M.O.C. #21187
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That happened in our '09 and the bottom of the HWH had rusted and the water was coming out onto the carpet. Replacing the tank is not too difficult and takes about an hour.
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12-11-2021, 08:15 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Box Elder
Posts: 4,676
M.O.C. #12947
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Your water heater is below the floor level, so it's likely that the water is coming from another location. I had to replace our water heater about five years ago, due to a leaking tank, and the water went down, not up.
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09-06-2022, 05:07 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Somerset
Posts: 13
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I got tired of defective welds on our water tank which ruined our first 2014 3850 FL, where it ruined the floor and cause d a lot of black mold in our unit. the water tank emitted a very fine mist under pressure. I took it to the dealership and they kept it for two days and said it was ok. Our floor began to get spongy and soft, so another trip to the dealer and they found the source and problem. Our coach had black mold and the rubber roof was bubbled everywhere on top. We are full timers and we were living in our camper during winter in North Dakota at the time. Needless to say, a replacement unit was ordered and I had to pay the difference in a 2014 and 2015 unit. Recently, water found in the floor blow the refrigerator, same spot as the 2014 unit. I had enough, I installed a tankless water heater and we LOVE it! We have endless hot water and it doesn't use half as much propane as the 12 gal tank that came in our unit.
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09-06-2022, 08:03 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Shingle Springs
Posts: 2,148
M.O.C. #30417
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Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Hall
I got tired of defective welds on our water tank which ruined our first 2014 3850 FL, where it ruined the floor and cause d a lot of black mold in our unit. the water tank emitted a very fine mist under pressure. I took it to the dealership and they kept it for two days and said it was ok. Our floor began to get spongy and soft, so another trip to the dealer and they found the source and problem. Our coach had black mold and the rubber roof was bubbled everywhere on top. We are full timers and we were living in our camper during winter in North Dakota at the time. Needless to say, a replacement unit was ordered and I had to pay the difference in a 2014 and 2015 unit. Recently, water found in the floor blow the refrigerator, same spot as the 2014 unit. I had enough, I installed a tankless water heater and we LOVE it! We have endless hot water and it doesn't use half as much propane as the 12 gal tank that came in our unit.
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Tankless for RV? More info please.
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Tony & Donna
2022 Montana HC, 295RL, Solar Flex 400, Onan 3600 LPG, 2K inverter, 200AH Lithium. 2020 GMC Denali 2500 6.6 Duramax, Demco 21K Auto Slide
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09-06-2022, 08:21 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Somerset
Posts: 13
M.O.C. #26717
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Girard is what I installed, wasn’t hard to do. I searched online and found it much cheaper than replacing with the original 12 gal Suburban which I do not like.
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09-07-2022, 04:17 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Austin
Posts: 2,389
M.O.C. #21044
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My unit has a Suburban IW60. We love it. I still need to remove the basement bulkhead wall and install some shark bite valves and hose ends to facilitate and annual descaling routine. The diagrams, illustrations and parts came with the owner documentation. It’s on the to-do list. Evidently descaling must be a rare event because I can’t find any YouTube videos showing the piping install or the descale process. The instructions are clear but I would like to observe someone else’s procedure first.
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2019 Chevy 3500 High Country DRW
2018 Montana 3921FB
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09-07-2022, 07:06 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Anderson
Posts: 2,543
M.O.C. #22835
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To figure out if you have a leak or if it's just the pressure relief valve, put water in your fresh water tank and disconnect from shore water hook-ups. Now, turn your water pump on and let it pressurize. If there is a leak, you'll hear the water pump cycle on and off, pretty fast. If it does not cycle on and off, but stays off, you have no leak. The water is coming from somewhere else. Or else the pressure from your shore water connection is too much, blowing something out, that doesn't happen when the water system is under a lesser pressure with the water pump only.
It's an easy first level of research to define the root cause of your problem. This is probably the main reason why I never keep connected to shore water, but pump from my fresh water tank always. It takes only about 2 ounces of water to run and the water pump turns on. When the pump turns on and no faucets are on, it gets my attention .... always! Good case in point is the automatic ice maker in the refrigerator. And just last week, the wife did not turn the knob completely off on our toilet Bidet and it was slightly running. I heard the water pump cycle on and off. Found the toilet Bidet running and good I did, otherwise it would have filled the toilet bowl and eventually over flooded on the floor. I've caught faucets not turned off completely, leaking water at the anode rode/ drain on the water heater, and my outside shower faucets turned on, but the head of the shower button was off (still allowing it to drip a little). If I were hooked up to shore water, I would have never known these drips and leaks were going on. The water pump cycling on and and off is an immediate attention getter. Plus, it helps us be keenly aware of how much water we are using so it help to let us know when it's time to dump the sewer holding tanks.
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09-07-2022, 08:37 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Shingle Springs
Posts: 2,148
M.O.C. #30417
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikendebbie
My unit has a Suburban IW60. We love it. I still need to remove the basement bulkhead wall and install some shark bite valves and hose ends to facilitate and annual descaling routine. The diagrams, illustrations and parts came with the owner documentation. It’s on the to-do list. Evidently descaling must be a rare event because I can’t find any YouTube videos showing the piping install or the descale process. The instructions are clear but I would like to observe someone else’s procedure first.
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Do they make a unit that works on 120volt and LPG? I see one that works on 12volts but that sounds problematic.
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Tony & Donna
2022 Montana HC, 295RL, Solar Flex 400, Onan 3600 LPG, 2K inverter, 200AH Lithium. 2020 GMC Denali 2500 6.6 Duramax, Demco 21K Auto Slide
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09-07-2022, 09:56 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sebring
Posts: 3,657
M.O.C. #9969
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Most Tankless Water Heaters I've seen only work on Propane as you can't get enough heat out of an electric element to meet the demand
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2018 Chevy 3500HD High Country DRW 4X4 Crew Cab w/Duramax/Allison, Formally 2010 Montana 2955RL, Now Loaded 2016 SOB, Mor/ryde IS, Disc Brakes & Pin Box, Comfort Ride Hitch, Sailun 17.5 Tires.
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09-07-2022, 10:40 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Florence
Posts: 945
M.O.C. #20472
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Have you checked the connections on the in and out at the tank. I had an issue on our previous RV with a leak I was chasing and it was the connection.
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