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Old 01-05-2022, 04:00 PM   #1
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Chrysler going all electric in 2028. What will the Truck division do? Might be the end of RVing. I will not buy and EV. Period.


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I would say no. Chrysler is cars. Ram is trucks. Two different divisions.
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I would think it's too much of a income stream for them to give it up. While I passed two semi's on I-10 the other day that were driving themselves they weren't electric and I would bet that's some years in the future.
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I wonder if the car makers are running scared of Big Gov and moving to all-electric cars (at what seems to me to be a light-speed pace)...
Or do they have a magic glass ball that is showing them that there is a stampede of pent-up consumer demand for electric vehicles. Maybe I am wrong, but I consider the EV market to be a small niche of folks with money.
I am not in that group and I dont want one.

I am all for saving the planet.
I would love to have a big solar array in my backyard but can't afford it.
Same goes for a residential sized wind turbine...can't afford it.
I would love to have a EV to drive the 2 hour commute to work...can't afford it...hope I can keep working at home with NO commute.

Apologies for veering off topic a bit...but my question about why the automakers seem hell-bound to get EVs out there so fast is on topic.
I plan to keep my Chevy 3500 and DW's Subaru for good.
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I would think it's too much of a income stream for them to give it up. While I passed two semi's on I-10 the other day that were driving themselves they weren't electric and I would bet that's some years in the future.
Those semi's weren't driving themselves but the driver was in the sleeper making a sandwich.
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Having 8 grandkids in the 30ish and under range, and exposure to a large group of their friends, I can assure you they for the most part is pretty pro EV. Us older generation folks need to realize we are not as pertinent as we one-time were and some thinks still are.
There will be more of them in 2028 and less of us. If I were developing a market strategy for a product, I would be putting my emphasis on who I think the bulk of the market will be.
Same can be said for music and TV. We are no longer the target audience except for medicare and burial policies. Kind of tough to accept huh?
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Old 01-06-2022, 12:44 PM   #7
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When we buy a new car we will consider a BEV. It would be almost perfect for my wife. She would get several weeks out of a charge and never worry about gas. Her present car is a 2013 with 40 k miles. The only problem would come if she followed me to the lake to camp. It’s just over a hundred miles and with a few miles over there she wouldn’t make it back home. There will not be any charge stations over there. Too rural.
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Having 8 grandkids in the 30ish and under range, and exposure to a large group of their friends, I can assure you they for the most part is pretty pro EV. Us older generation folks need to realize we are not as pertinent as we one-time were and some thinks still are.
There will be more of them in 2028 and less of us. If I were developing a market strategy for a product, I would be putting my emphasis on who I think the bulk of the market will be.
Same can be said for music and TV. We are no longer the target audience except for medicare and burial policies. Kind of tough to accept huh?
You hit the nail on the head. In 20 years we seniors, if we are still here, will be irrelevant to anyone except those in the health care industry.

Due to early demand Ford has announced they are going to double the planned number of EV trucks in their first production run.
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EVs would be OK for use in town. A step up from riding a bicycle. Forget over the road use as the technology isn't up to par yet. Driving home over the holidays I noticed that EV charging station areas looked like parking lots. I wondered how many cars were hogging up spaces fully charged while the next guy is waiting his turn. Kind of like waiting in a laundromat except you can't move the other guys stuff out of the way. We also had snow storms close two local highways. As it turned out, much of the congestion was due to dead EVs. Save the planet at the risk of killing yourself.
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When the grid goes down (snow, ice, wind, tornado, hurricane, earthquake, wildfire)
EVs won't be moving
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When the power grid goes down gas pumps don’t work to well either.
The charge times are getting much shorter. Hyundai and several others have cars that can be charged much faster than a few years ago. Hyundai’s new car can be charged from 20% to 80% in 18 minutes.
My question still is can the electric grid support millions of electric cars?
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When the power grid goes down gas pumps don’t work to well either.
The charge times are getting much shorter. Hyundai and several others have cars that can be charged much faster than a few years ago. Hyundai’s new car can be charged from 20% to 80% in 18 minutes.
My question still is can the electric grid support millions of electric cars?
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I'm not against EVs but they are still of limited use, which doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing. That Hyundai 18 minute charge time is actually 10% to 80% in 18 minutes. That's a 70% charge in the best of conditions with specialized equipment for a small car. Now, be third in line for a charge. You'll be there an hour and a half. A standard charger is still requires hours to charge.

It is a lot easier to fetch a gallon of gas to keep you moving whereas that EV needs a tow truck. The power grid is nowhere near having the capacity to replace the energy produced by fossil fuel. Just ask Californians about running home air conditioners in the summer.
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Remember, when the automobile was in it’s infancy it too was considered a toy and not suitable for dependable transportation. EV’s are getting better with more power and range each year and no doubt will continue to do so. Once the range and charging issues become a non issue they will make a far superior mode of transportation compared to todays ICE powered vehicles. That being said, I’m not giving up my antique sports cars!
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GM announced that they will have EV HD Trucks by 2035. And during the 2035 to 2040 build years will produce both EV and ICE HD Trucks, but 2040 will be the end of ICE.
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Building EV charging stations will be a process following and driven by the rise in EV sales. Eventually they will begin to replace gasoline/diesel stations and will be on and between every major intersection just as fossil fuel stations are now and access will not be a problem. And those with ICE engines will be the ones searching for a place to fuel up. Not an issue for us “seniors” but will be for those say 40 and under. But in 20 years most of those will likely already be driving EVs anyway.

One way or another power companies will find a way to support the additional power requirements. Good old capitalism and the desire to chase the additional revenue and profits will ensure that.
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I agree with what Bill said to a point. It takes years if not decades to get approval to build a power station and it looks like just as long to put up windmills. Are we going to start up all the old coal fired power plants? If we stared now we wouldn’t have enough grid to power millions of EVs in ten years. Some parts of the country need more electricity now and it’s getting worse. Which are we going to power our homes and business or EVs. We need a National plan.
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Old 01-07-2022, 07:52 PM   #17
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I was wondering why a charging dock is not designed for a n auto to pull up and a machine slides your battery pack out and a fully charged one is slid in. Short stop no lines no physical labor on drivers part.
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I wonder who is going to build the infrastructure for all these dreams. Sure, you can fill fields full of solar panels or build more windmills but moy only does that take time, you also need a way to transmit that power and need new distribution systems. Yep, run right out and buy your electric car then find out your older home with 100 amp pr less wiring needs a several thousand do;;at upgrade. Oh and since your neighbors are like minded, the neighborhood just went dark.

I'm betting Fiat is playing the "woke" political game with their pronouncement.

Now, a commercial 42x66 inch solar panel on a bright and sunny mid day might produce 500 watts of power. To produce one megawatt of power you would need 2000 panels covering an area of a bit less then an acre. In comparison, a jet derivative (LM2500 or similar ) would almost fit in my 24x24 foot garage and produce up to 37 megawatts on natural gas.

I don't see the economics in solar or wind power when you factor in the wasye of usually otherwise good land.

Yep, I'm concerned with the environment but not at the cost the tree huggers embrace as to me it's false economy.

Do your own homework but be open minded.


Sorry for the soapbox but there are too many folks hopping on that bandwagon without real thinking.....
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Dave W, I agree 100%!!!!!
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I agree with Dave W too. Bunch of whiny tree huggers are the tail wagging the dog. I find it amazing an entire industry is willing to trash itself over a bunch of nonsense.
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