Correct track plates

[Theunz]

If you have the correct track system on your suspension you might consider purchasing a couple of extra plates along with a wet bolt and nut in case you loose a bolt during your travels. If you loose a bolt then you will also loose the plates and since the bolt hole is slotted you can’t just stick a bolt in without the plates or the spring will be able to slide fore and aft.
They are available from Lippert for about $7 ea. I don’t know how easy it would be to locate a dealer that stocks them, but an internet search revealed no positive results from their sources.
I found myself in this situation 3 days before I was leaving on a short trip, so I fabricated a couple of rectangular plates in case the one’s I ordered didn’t arrive on time. Of course they arrived the evening before I was leaving. I’ll swap them out when I return

[Montana Man]

Thanks! I'll do that since I have spare bolts and no plates.

[CraigB in FL]

Originally Posted by Montana Man

Thanks! I'll do that since I have spare bolts and no plates.

@MontanaMan where did you find your spare wet bolts? Do you happen to have the part number? The Lippert Correct Track drawings only show dry bolts being used with the hexagonal cams. Thanks!

[Foldbak]

Just search the Lippert web site
https://store.lci1.com/wet-shoulder-...-shoulder-bolt

[CraigB in FL]

Originally Posted by Foldbak

Just search the Lippert web site
https://store.lci1.com/wet-shoulder-...-shoulder-bolt

Been there. Done that. Neither appears to be long enough to go through the hanger leaf spring & cams. Hence my question for what part #s someone actually used.

[rrottke]

Call MorRyde for the wet bolts. All wet bolts are the same.

[rrottke]

I just posted and said to call MorRyde, I then found my invoice for the wet bolt. Get the nut also.
u0115-889P8 9/16"-7/16 20x3.4 wet bolt
006 09201P8 Nut Flange locking

[CraigB in FL]

Originally Posted by rrottke

I just posted and said to call MorRyde, I then found my invoice for the wet bolt. Get the nut also.
u0115-889P8 9/16"-7/16 20x3.4 wet bolt
006 09201P8 Nut Flange locking

Thank you!

I'd seen those bolts at Lippert (#126197) & Mor-Ryde but was concerned those bolts aren't long enough for the cams & hangers. I thought they were just the ones for the shackles.

Without pulling a bolt for actual measurement, I measured 3" from outside of the cam to the outside of the other cam. That only provided 3/8" for the nut to engage.

But if that's the bolt you used with the cams, then that's the one I'll order.

BTW - Mor-Ryde's price for the bolt is substantially cheaper than Lippert's

[Theunz]

Originally Posted by rrottke

I just posted and said to call MorRyde, I then found my invoice for the wet bolt. Get the nut also.
u0115-889P8 9/16"-7/16 20x3.4 wet bolt
006 09201P8 Nut Flange locking

All wet bolts are NOT the same. Those for correct track are longer to compensate for the thickness of the plates.

[CraigB in FL]

Originally Posted by rrottke

I just posted and said to call MorRyde, I then found my invoice for the wet bolt. Get the nut also.
u0115-889P8 9/16"-7/16 20x3.4 wet bolt
006 09201P8 Nut Flange locking

I thought I had already posted my follow-up on this but found it didn't work.

I ended up ordering the above bolt & nut from MorRyde (at MUCH cheaper prices than from Lippert) only to have MorRyde ship the wrong length bolt (attached pic). After calling, they quickly agreed to ship me the correct length bolts, but they didn't arrive before we had to leave on our trip. I used a Grade-8 dry bolt from a local trailer shop as a temporary remedy, along with the cams from Lippert.

[dieselguy]

Your post has good advice for fiver owners with the correct track option. It seems each time someone brings up correct track, x factor, wet bolts, shocks, and air ride pin box posts, interest is born a new as people digest the content. I just want to remind people that correct track only allows parallel adjustment between each axle and squareness between those axles and the frame. Correct track will not do anything to correct camber or toe in issues both of which are also main contributors to tire wear and tracking issues.

[Montana Man]

In my way of thinking, having the axles square to the frame does produce proper tracking. That is toe in/out. In this case both wheels at once per axle, not adjustable by individual wheel. Camber is what can't be adjusted with this system.

[dieselguy]

Maybe try this explanation. Say you have an axle that has absolutely no toe in, both wheels point perfectly straight forward. You mount that axle on a trailer with correct track. No matter how you adjust the plates you will never get toe in from that axle. You will either have the entire axle pointing dead straight ahead or you will have the entire axle pointing out very slightly to the left or out very slightly to the right. (Dog tracking) If people reading this are still not convinced, I can't figure out a way to explain it any clearer.

[phillyg]

Originally Posted by dieselguy

Maybe try this explanation...... If people reading this are still not convinced, I can't figure out a way to explain it any clearer.

You're correct.

[beeje]

Originally Posted by dieselguy

Maybe try this explanation. Say you have an axle that has absolutely no toe in, both wheels point perfectly straight forward. You mount that axle on a trailer with correct track. No matter how you adjust the plates you will never get toe in from that axle. You will either have the entire axle pointing dead straight ahead or you will have the entire axle pointing out very slightly to the left or out very slightly to the right. (Dog tracking) If people reading this are still not convinced, I can't figure out a way to explain it any clearer.

Try this. Go out to your unit and measure from inside to inside of rims on one axle, both in front and in back. If those measurements are not EXACTLY the same, you will always have some form of toe it or out. The only way to correct that is to bend the axle tubes....

[dieselguy]

Take my experience or question your local alignment shop. On a trailer axle, camber and toe in is built into the axle tube itself. Thats why you see an arch in the tube. The correct track only adjusts the mounting of the axles, it cannot adjust the axle camber or toe in. When a trailer alignment shop corrects alignment problems, they bend the tube for the camber and toe in

[Montana Man]

I agree with you on how an alignment shop aligns. I've had that done. However, the plates adjust the axle, which in turn makes the wheels point forward, which is toe. In other words, makes the wheels point forward. So the plates do have adjustibility pertaining to (some) alignment. Now, if one wheel on an axle needs a toe adjustment then that's different.

[dieselguy]

When correct track came out a few years back, I talked to a Lippert representative at one of the RV shows. He indicated that when the frames were built, sometimes the spring hangers were mislocated causing axles not to be parallel to one another and or not to be square with the frames. Correct was an attempt to more easily fix that for the RV owner. Think about this. Tow in is the front of each tire very slightly pointing toward each other say 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch. There is no way adjusting the entire axle tube that will add or subtract to a toe condition. If you pull one side forward, the opposite side will pivot the opposite way slightly.

[Theunz]

Since we’ve wandered off the correct track I’ll add my two cents. Let’s say you hit a big pot hole and slightly bent one side of your axle back a little. You could use the plates on that side only to force the axle back in position. You couldn’t move it a lot, but I bet there is enough flex in the axle to force it a quarter inch or so.

[Montana Man]

OK, in the example of one wheel pointing inward and the other outward on the same axle, that would be a case of one wheel having toe out, the other toe in. Adjusting the axle with the plates could correct both toes at once. That's exactly what having adjustable plates is for. Aligning axle/wheels to point forward.

Now, if say one wheel takes a hit and throws out the toe, it would require an alignment shop to bring that one wheel back to alignment.

We may be saying the same thing to some degree.