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03-30-2022, 12:23 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Wauchula
Posts: 6
M.O.C. #17808
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Auto leveling
When I auto level my 2021 High Country, my entry door is difficult to open and close. Feels like the unit may be in a little bit of a bind. Anyone else have this issue and what can you do about it?
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03-30-2022, 12:30 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Northern Illinois
Posts: 525
M.O.C. #19994
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I never use the auto level, seems quicker to level it manually, i have the bubble levels in front and side (under the level switches) I also found it to twist the frame in some spots resulting in the door jamming
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The "Black Pearl"-2017 3731FL Legacy Package
2017 F-450 Platinum, 6.7 PSD
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03-30-2022, 12:32 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Milwaukie, OR
Posts: 1,475
M.O.C. #23668
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Welcome aboard! Glad you found us.
More info would be helpful. Which HC model do you have? Does it have a 4pt or 6pt auto level system? You might need to do a little tweaking in manual mode to see if you can correct the potential binding and reset the controls to accept your new level.
I can see the 6pt potentially being a little out of adjustment in the center leveler. Let us know. You'll find some help here.
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Jeff & Sandi (and Teddy - 7lb Schnorkie)
2018 Montana HC 305RL / HW Progressive EMS
2015 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn Crew Cab 4x4 DRW / Demco Recon Hitch on RAM Puck Ball
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03-30-2022, 03:12 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Wauchula
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M.O.C. #17808
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It’s a 385BR with a six point leveling system.
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03-30-2022, 03:40 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sebring
Posts: 3,662
M.O.C. #9969
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Being a Hight Country, is it safe to assume that it's the Electric Leveling System vs the Hydraulic System on the Montana's?
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Michelle & Ann
2018 Chevy 3500HD High Country DRW 4X4 Crew Cab w/Duramax/Allison, Formally 2010 Montana 2955RL, Now Loaded 2016 SOB, Mor/ryde IS, Disc Brakes & Pin Box, Comfort Ride Hitch, Sailun 17.5 Tires.
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03-30-2022, 03:47 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Milwaukie, OR
Posts: 1,475
M.O.C. #23668
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Yes, it's an electric system. I have the 4 pt system so don't know for sure but I assume that it's possible to adjust the center legs independently from the others? If so then I would manually bump them up and/or down do see if that relieves the bind at the door.
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Jeff & Sandi (and Teddy - 7lb Schnorkie)
2018 Montana HC 305RL / HW Progressive EMS
2015 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn Crew Cab 4x4 DRW / Demco Recon Hitch on RAM Puck Ball
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03-30-2022, 05:18 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Middleton
Posts: 76
M.O.C. #23951
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Just don't try auto or manual leveling with the steps down. It will bind and twist the mechanism. (Ask me how I know)
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03-30-2022, 05:19 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Wauchula
Posts: 6
M.O.C. #17808
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Thanks. Good advice.
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03-30-2022, 05:36 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Possum trot
Posts: 128
M.O.C. #29795
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We have a ‘21 Montana 3761fl with the 6 point hydrolic leveler,and it works perfectly. Sorry I’m not bragging just really really proud of it.
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03-30-2022, 06:59 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Box Elder
Posts: 4,712
M.O.C. #12947
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The hydraulic 6 point leveling system functions like a three point system because the landing jacks are plumbed together and each side's middle and rear jacks are plumbed together, so it's unlikely to twist the frame. The electric system has six independent jacks, so if something in that system wasn't working correctly, it's possible to stress the frame. We rarely Manual level, and with the hydraulic system, as long as the front of the trailer is a bit above level, the Auto Level will function well. With the electric system, I watched a rig several years ago that the couple that was trying to set it up spent over two hours trying to level it, and I never did find out what the problem was as they were stressed and exhausted when done.
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2012 3402RL
2012 Chevy 2500HD D/A CC 4WD
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03-30-2022, 07:04 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Wauchula
Posts: 6
M.O.C. #17808
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Mine is definitely the electric system, as it’s leveling I’ve seen each jack being adjusted individually. I need to dive deeper into my system to see how to manually adjust each one separately. Thanks
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03-31-2022, 08:54 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Shingle Springs
Posts: 2,265
M.O.C. #30417
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You might try to recalibrate the auto level. If one jack is slightly out of position it will cause a twist. This is my second Lippert auto level and both needed to be calibrated.
https://lci-support-doc.s3.amazonaws...cd-0001518.pdf
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2022 Montana HC, 295RL, Solar Flex 400, Onan 3600 LPG, 2K inverter, 200AH Lithium. 2020 GMC Denali 2500 6.6 Duramax, Demco 21K Auto Slide
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03-31-2022, 11:42 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2020
Location: UPLAND
Posts: 1,257
M.O.C. #26190
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Is it the top of your stairs that is binding against the bottom of your entry/exit door? If so, shorten the legs of your stairs and that will make it flush with the floor and your door will open and close without binding. I'm just throwing out this suggestion. If I missed the mark completely, please forgive me.
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04-06-2022, 01:14 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Troy
Posts: 4
M.O.C. #23915
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Make sure it's not the stairs. If you have them set where they aren't allowing them to fully go flat on the entryway, it won't shut properly.
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04-06-2022, 01:19 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: BUZZARDS BAY
Posts: 115
M.O.C. #25753
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I find if I don’t use leveling blocks to get my 3781 level first before auto leveling it tends to put more pressure on one side and can cause doors to rub when opening. Just a thought
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2020 GMC 3500 Denali HD Diesel SRW
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04-06-2022, 01:20 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Wauchula
Posts: 6
M.O.C. #17808
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It’s not the stairs. I put them in the up position and the door still feels like it’s in a little bit of a bind. When the middle jacks are up the door opens and closes fine but I haven’t found a way to make small adjustments to just the middle jacks.
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04-06-2022, 03:15 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: May 2020
Location: MUSTANG
Posts: 14
M.O.C. #26208
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I'm not trying to insult your intelligence but are you adjusting the feet on your stairs after your level? If the stairs are to high the bottom of the door drags on the step.
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04-06-2022, 03:19 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Wauchula
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M.O.C. #17808
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I’ve closed the stairs inside but door is still in a bind.
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04-06-2022, 03:53 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Holly Springs
Posts: 159
M.O.C. #19394
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug Whidden
I’ve closed the stairs inside but door is still in a bind.
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But, have you checked the floor with a spirit level in both directions and then re-calibrated as suggested?
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04-06-2022, 05:07 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Mesa
Posts: 279
M.O.C. #24588
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Do a careful examination to determine EXACTLY WHERE the door is coming into contact with the frame. Pay close attention to the strike plate (the left side of the frame that receives the spring loaded latch). Since the strike plate is surface mounted, the door often hits the strike plate before it contacts the frame. Understanding where the problem contact area(s) are, is key to solving this issue. If your 385BR doesn't have scissor jacks to stiffen the overhanging frame behind the rear axle, try using a garage floor jack to take up some of the downward frame flex (what you are looking to do is check for an upward flex if front of the 2 axles). Think of a teeter totter effect....frame flexes down behind the axles and up, in front of the axles. Las suggestion I'll make is to use a 6' level to check the accuracy of the auto level's performance. Pay attention to the I-beam frame in front of, and behind the axles on both sides of the camper. You are looking for any twisting or arching of the two parallel I-beam frames. A string running front to back under the frame can be useful to check for frame straightness. A block layer (mason) uses this technique to determine if his wall is true in 3 axis. This is a problem that only perseverance is going to solve.
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