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01-31-2021, 01:29 PM
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2021
Location: la prairie
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M.O.C. #27940
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Newbie Question
Just ordered my first 5th wheel a 2021 Keystone Montana ck2021 with a legacy package and the Onan ben and washer, dryer. Looking to change my Yukon Denali for a pick up with an 8 ft box, diesel, hesitating between Denali or ford Platinum
2500 or 3500. Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Peter
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01-31-2021, 02:01 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Haysville
Posts: 107
M.O.C. #21399
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What is the pin weight?
Extra stuff you put in the RV will add to the pin weight.
Hitch weight
Extra stuff in truck, dog, people, gas, etc
For us dry 2500 pin , hitch 150, we are already 2600, than stuff in RV and stuff in the truck. We are over the payload numbers on the door post.
Just my opinion 3500 dually. That is my next truck.
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Brian and Tambra
Haysville
2018 - 3121RL - 2016 Ram 2500 6.4/4.10
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01-31-2021, 02:24 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 7,204
M.O.C. #6433
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Brand is the one you like best. But go with the 350/3500.
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Bill & Patricia
Riley, our Golden
2007 3075RL (recently sold, currently without)
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01-31-2021, 04:50 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,576
M.O.C. #2283
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Go drive all three pickups. Compare all of them and decide which is right for you. You will never know if you chose the best truck for you unless you know what all have to offer.
And get a one ton.
Lynwood
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02-01-2021, 09:38 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Cuyahoga Falls
Posts: 702
M.O.C. #18572
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One ton dually would be best but your call on that.
Ford, Dodge, Chevy, GMC... all good. Pick the one with the bells and whistles you like most.
One ton minimum.
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Rule #1. The Chief is always right.
Rule #2. When in doubt, refer to rule #1.
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02-01-2021, 10:55 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2020
Location: UPLAND
Posts: 1,257
M.O.C. #26190
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Any new 2500 can pull it, where it gets borderline very quickly is the pin-weight. Had I known I was going to end up with this size trailer, I would have just bought the 3500. No real difference in price. Better to have more truck than not.
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2019 Keystone Montana 3560RL, 2020 Chevy 2500 HD, Firestone airbags, Air Lift wireless compressor, Curt gooseneck, 20K Reese Goosebox, TST-507, USMC combat vet & retired LEO. Robert, Anika, Breanna, Dylan (daughter-in-law Stephanie). & our Great Pyrenees Layla
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02-02-2021, 06:03 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: POINTBLANK
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Get the 450. Check the GVWR on door. You’ll be much happier towing with dually
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Slide Toppers / EMS-HW50C / Sailun 85's
3rd AC / Dometic 320
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02-02-2021, 07:32 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
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Any one ton dually will work for you.
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Mike and Lorraine
2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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02-02-2021, 08:00 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sebring
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Make sure you check the Door Pillar numbers between the 350 and 450, in some cases the 450 actually has less cargo capacity than a 350 because it is a heavier built truck.
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Michelle & Ann
2018 Chevy 3500HD High Country DRW 4X4 Crew Cab w/Duramax/Allison, Formally 2010 Montana 2955RL, Now Loaded 2016 SOB, Mor/ryde IS, Disc Brakes & Pin Box, Comfort Ride Hitch, Sailun 17.5 Tires.
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02-02-2021, 11:36 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
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The F450 4WD Long Bed has a payload capacity of 5,320 vs. the same configuration F350's payload of 6,530. The F450 is much heavier but the GVWRs (14,000) are the same. Check the door sticker as all this varies depending on features and options (i.e.the truck gets heavier and the cargo capacity goes down).
But boy that reduced turning radius of the F450 is sweet!
https://www.ford.com/commercial-truc...p3Fefy-eH4LY2U
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Carl (n Susan)
There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB
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02-02-2021, 12:13 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: STUARTS DRAFT, VA
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M.O.C. #27830
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Don't forget to check the rear axle gear, regardless of brand. The various gear options can significantly change rating and fuel mileage.
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John and Carrie
2021 Montana 3121RL Legacy
2020 F-250 Lariat 4X4 Short 3.55
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02-02-2021, 01:52 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Cuyahoga Falls
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M.O.C. #18572
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl n Susan
The F450 4WD Long Bed has a payload capacity of 5,320 vs. the same configuration F350's payload of 6,530. The F450 is much heavier but the GVWRs (14,000) are the same. Check the door sticker as all this varies depending on features and options (i.e.the truck gets heavier and the cargo capacity goes down).
But boy that reduced turning radius of the F450 is sweet!]
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Not sure if it’s still possible, but, you used to be able to order the Tow Boss option for the F350. Basically gave you an F450 front suspension with that great turning radius.
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02-02-2021, 02:45 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
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The Tow Boss option went away a while ago. I think it was a short lived option, but I don't know why it was discontinued. I would go for the DRW instead of the SRW just for that option.
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Carl (n Susan)
There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB
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02-02-2021, 04:25 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Grand Rapids
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look at the weigh, a 3/4 ton 20-21 delani will work just fine. i go with a srw short box.
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02-02-2021, 07:55 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Cuyahoga Falls
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M.O.C. #18572
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mazboy
look at the weigh, a 3/4 ton 20-21 delani will work just fine. i go with a srw short box.
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With a payload capacity of 3862lbs, I believe this choice will fall short.
Driver, passenger, hitch, fuel, misc cargo all add up before even considering pin weight.
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02-03-2021, 10:14 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: BUZZARDS BAY
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M.O.C. #25753
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I have a 2020 GMC 3500 Denali SRW short bed with a 20K Demco slider hitch and it tows my 2020 3781 like its not even there. 41' 16,500lbs and 2700lb pin weight.
Could not be happier, 10.9 to 11.3 mpg towing and fits into a parking space LOL!!
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2020 Montana 3781RL
2020 GMC 3500 Denali HD Diesel SRW
20k Demco slider hitch
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02-07-2021, 01:20 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: St. Clair
Posts: 32
M.O.C. #24888
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GMC Denali 3500
When I purchased our 2020 3841FK i needed to purchase a new truck (which cost more than the Montana).
I was always a Ford guy until I drove the Denali. What sold me was the camera system and the multi-pro tailgate.
Even though it was a 3500, it rode as smooth as my F150.
I opted for the long bed so no slider hitch needed and ability to carry more items (every day use or camping).
The only thing I don’t like is the turning ratio, it is terrible with the long bed and a learning curve when it come to U turns on a highway.
I also went with SRW. Didn’t want the hassle of tearing the fenders off at a gas station or not being able to use a car wash. My 2020 GMC 3500 diesel pulls the Montana like a dream. Lots of torque and payload capacity to handle it.
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02-07-2021, 01:44 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Rexburg
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M.O.C. #23466
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If you want to be able to turn it around, go with a Dodge 2500 or 3500. Forget the foreign trucks. Remember this is America.
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Summers
2015-3440RL
2500 Ram Mega Cab
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02-07-2021, 01:56 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2020
Location: UPLAND
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M.O.C. #26190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Displaced Alaskans
If you want to be able to turn it around, go with a Dodge 2500 or 3500. Forget the foreign trucks. Remember this is America.
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I don't think Nissan or Toyota was in the equation.
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2019 Keystone Montana 3560RL, 2020 Chevy 2500 HD, Firestone airbags, Air Lift wireless compressor, Curt gooseneck, 20K Reese Goosebox, TST-507, USMC combat vet & retired LEO. Robert, Anika, Breanna, Dylan (daughter-in-law Stephanie). & our Great Pyrenees Layla
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02-07-2021, 02:07 PM
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Established Member
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Location: Red Deer
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M.O.C. #28026
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Its better to have the bigger truck 3500 than the 2500. Suspension better.
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